Part 7
Some parallels to the signs on the disks
The circle, which is created by the circumference of the disk itself, and the cross in its middle form the letter F of the runic script and it is, at the same time, the pictograph of the Earth, called Föld in Hungarian. We find similar signs on several of Zsófia Torma’s other disks, in the Cretan Linear B script, in the Byblos writing from 1300 B.C. and among the Glozel letters[1].
In the ancient Chinese script, this is also the sign of the Earth. We find this sign on the clay wagon-model, the golden disk, which was worn as a decorative element and was excavated in Somogyom, Transylvania, the bronze pendants of the necklace of Nagyhangos-puszta and on several pieces of the Nagyszentmiklós[2] treasure.
In my book: Kárpát-medenci birtoklevelünk,(Our Letter of Ownership to the Carpathian Basin), I presented the Glozel sign collection and I am repeating it here because there are many parallels between these and the Tordos-Vinca signs.
I am convinced that the Glozel finds are not forgeries but they are the relics of our Stone Age ancestors, who brought their knowledge of writing to this part of the world. We have to remark that both the Glozel peasant and Doctor Morlet had to suffer much harassment on the part of the representatives of the official sciences.
Researchers do not show the little V sign in the upper left quadrant, on the left side of the horizontal line, even though it is there and it is visible on the more accurate photographs and drawings. We know, from Professor János Makkay, that, at the time of their excavation, the tablets were covered with a lime deposit and, for this reason, the Kolozsvár Museum’s laboratory washed them in hydrochloric acid and, because their material had a trendency to crumble, they covered them with an impregnating material. In my opinion, due to these operations, the V-sign became less visible but it must have had its own significance, if our ancestors wrote it there. Two such V-signs can be found on the rectangular tablet with the hole, and they are located high up on each side of the hole, so they are an important part of the Tatárlaka signs. Géza Varga included these latter ones in his table. (Bronzkori magyar írásbeliség, (Magyar Literacy of the Bronze Age), Budapest 1993, page 147)
Its parallels can be found on the Torma disks, on the bones of a 200 thousand (yes: two hundred thousand) year-old ancient bullock, as a Sun-symbol in Sumer and at the Holdvilág Árok (János Andrássy Kurta: Holtak völgye: Holdvilág-árok – 2003; The Valley of the Dead: Valley of the Moon.) (The later-mentioned signs from the Holdvilág Árok also come from this book), on the 25,000 year-old pebbles of the Mas D’Azil cave (France), on the 6000 year-old seal of Luristan, in Glozel, in the master-seals on ivory carvings, which are from the Mycenean age, (3000-1100 B.C.) on the seal of the Olt valley, among the five basic signs of the Tordos-Vinca culture, on the Chinese divination bones, on the belt of the Sickle God from Szegvár-Tűzköves, and among the signs of the Chinese cultures of Yangshao and Erliton (5000-1600 B.C.) My thanks to Dr. László Bárdi for this last piece of information.
We can find this little V sign on plates no. 9 and 10 of the Nagyszentmiklós treasure, among the Hun name-signs from Eifischtal, Switzerland, on the walls of the caves of the Pauline order in Paraguay, on the Pomáz-Klissza bronze ring, on the ring of Klárafalva from the Árpád age, and on the brick-signs of the Avar Royal Palace which are called Ancient Bulgarian these days. (Let us remember that the Nagyszentmiklós treasure is displayed in the Cultural History Museum of Vienna as "Ancient Bulgarian".)
The next sign in the upper left quadrant corresponds with the letter Z of the Székely-Magyar Runic Script. It can be found on Zsófia Torma’s disks, on a Sumerian tablet from the Jamdet Nasr period (circa 3500 B.C.), in the Persepolis Parthian inscription, among the Glozel signs and in the Cretan Linear B script. Two lines can also be found on the rock inscription, which Anna Walter Fehér calls the Smolensk inscription, Géza Radics calls it the Kiev inscription and they appear in the Khumarai (Caucasus) rock inscription, in the helmet inscription of Negaui (Eastern Alps, Avar age) in the rock inscriptions and other objects in the territory of the River Don and on the Avar needle-holder of Jánoshida. . .
The third sign in the upper left quadrant is the same as the NY letter of the Székely-Magyar Runic Script. We find it also on the discs of Zsófia Torma and on the Jamdet Nasr tables. Mathematician, György Mandics, explains this sign as a numeral, based on Sumerian clay tablets. A similar sign can be found on Sumerian tables in Johannes Friedrich’s afore-mentioned book. He believes these to be accounting lists. It also appears on a 5000 year-old dish-fragment at Tepe Yahya (in today’s Iran). It is the sign of the moon on the Chinese divination bones. We also find it on the Nagyszentmiklós Treasure, the Carinthian rock-writing, on Uighur grave inscriptions, among the "Etruscan" brick signs near the city of Hatvan at Gombospuszta, Hungary and on the walls of the Murfatlar Avar cave-monastery (today in Rumania).
The bow and arrow-like sign in the lower left quadrant can be found among the signs of the Tordos-Vinca culture, on Hittite, Hurrite, Jamdet Nasr and Glozel inscriptions, on Mas d’Azil pebbles, in the Cretan Linear B writing, among the brick-signs of the "Ancient Bulgarian" Royal Palace of the Avar Age, in the Holdvilág Árok (Moon-Valley) with a 45 degree rotation, on the silver cup of Chorezm (3rd cent. B.C.), on the stones of Tászoktető, among the Hun name-signs of Eifischtal in Switzerland (not in a bow form, but a triangular shape) and on the walls of the Murfatlar (today Rumania) Avar cave-monastery. It is similar to the Sumerian cuneiform sign meaning BA (present, to give), which can be found in Veronika Marton’s book: A sumir kultúra története (The History of the Sumerian Culture), page 53. (Privately published in 2000).
A sign resembling a wedge or arrow can be found on the Tordos disks, on one of the Knossos disks, on the Glozel and Mas d’Azil artifacts, on the Phaistos disk, on the silver cup of Khorezm (3rd cent. B.C.), in the Nagyszentmiklós Treasure and among the Hun signs of Eifischtal Switzerland. In Sumer it was the sign for ten.
The sign at the bottom of the lower left quadrant corresponds with the letter GY of the runic script. It can be found on the disks of Zsófia Torma, in Glozel, Mas d’Azil, on Hurrian inscriptions, in the Ugarit writing, the Egyptian pre-dynastic letters, among the Gradesnica (today Bulgaria) runic signs, in the Cretan Linear B writing, on the frescoes of Catal Hülyük (today within the borders of Turkey) from the 6th-5th. centuries B.C. and among the Eifischtal Hun name-signs in Switzerland.
The comb-like signs of the right upper quadrant can be found on Zsófia Torma’s disks, in the territories of the Vinca culture, in the Jamdet Nasr table, on the Mas d’Azil pebbles, in the Ugarit writing, on a 6000 year-old vessel fragment from Székely land in Transylvania, on a five-thousand year old Elamite plate, and the inscription concerning the coronation of the Egyptian King, Hor-Udimu. They can be found in several places among the Eifischtal Hun inscriptions in Switzerland and several times on the walls of the Murfatlár (today Rumania) Avar cave monastery.
This drawing reminds us also of the pictograph dealing with the yearly journey of the Sun, on the façade of a house in Szentsimon, Hungary. I found a similar sign in Gábor Pap’s book: Hazatalálás (Homecoming) on page 81. The "international" meaning of the comb-like sign is "rain"; even the Bushmen use it.
Underneath this comb-like drawing is a sign resembling the runic NY sign (parallel is the NY sign in the upper left quadrant) and two little circles. The parallels of the circles can be found among the Tordos, Mesopotamian, Tepe-Yahya signs, on a Hurrite inscription, in Glozel, on the Knossos disks, in the Ancient Greek and Latin alphabets and in the wall-inscriptions of the Murfatlar cave-monastery of the Avar Age. Signs can be found among the Sumerian and Elamite numerals, which are similar to the NY sign and the circles of the Székely-Magyar runic script.
The pictograph in the middle of the lower right quadrant can be found in the Jamdet-Nasr, and Uruk tablets and the Sumerian seal roll. The representation of a fire-place is found on an Assyrian relief from before the 9th century BC, on the stone-carving of Holdvilág-árok, carved into the walls of the Murfatlar cave-monastery from the Avar Age, and in the afore-mentioned book of Veronika Marton, also on page 53 as the cuneiform sign of the Sumerian BUR (vessel), although the four lines start here from a triangle in an upward direction.
At the right side of the right lower quadrant, the creator of the disk represented a Sun and Moon altar. Similar representations can be seen in Lizett Kabay’s book: Kulcsképekhez kulcsszavak (Key Words to Key Pictures) and in Veronika Marton’s book: A sumir kultúra története (The History of the Sumerian Culture) on page 40, where on a seal-roll, not only are goats represented, rearing against the Tree, but also a crescent Moon as it cradles the Sun.
On the three meter high stele of the Sumerian King, Ur Nammu, (who reigned between 2112-2095 B.C.), one also finds the crescent Moon embracing the Sun. On the cover of Sinclair Hood’s book: The Minoan Crete, is a picture of a Moon altar in the Knossos palace, which forms a bull-horn.
In József Huszka’s book, we can see, on a Hittite seal, two winged beings are guarding the Moon and the Earth, resting on the top of a column. At the foot are two little goats.
Finally I present my own theory and conclusions.
I collected approximately fifty interpretations of the Tatárlaka find. With the exception of two or three of these, they add valuable thoughts toward lifting the fog of the past. However, I cannot align myself with any of these theories, since most of the researchers examined the disk, apart from its natural environment, as an independent object and not as a part of a 7-8000 year-old burial. Only a few researchers have connected it to the other two tablets and even fewer to the person of our ancestor in that grave.
The grave and, within it, the earthly remains of our Hungarian ancestor and his/her objects form a holy unity, according to the ancient ritual of that funeral. If we take this object out of its environment and express our opinion, independently of the other objects, thus disturbing this holy unity, then the order is disrupted and a mistaken or fragmented message reaches us, instead of the true message, which the community, which loved our Ancient Mother Goddess, sent on the road of rebirth.
At the time when the tablets were made, 7-8000 years ago, the ancestors of the Hungarians in the Carpathian Basin were the only people on Earth who were able to read and write. We cannot know for sure through how many Ice-Ages and natural catastrophies our ancestors preserved this writing, throughout the many tens or hundreds of thousands of years. However, it is certain that this is a perfect collection of letters, which correspond to every sound of the Hungarian language and it is easily learned. It can also be written onto any kind of material, under any circumstances. This collection of letters consists of the following 30 or 32 letters. (The ancient alphabetical order was surely different!).
There was not a clear J and, according to the teachings of the Great Carved Staff[3], this sign came from the sign of the letter for I. The J is an unnecessary sound, from a phonetic point of view, since both the I and the J sounds are formed with the help of the upper palate and represent a spirant sound. The proof of this is the subject of another study. The majority of researchers are of the opinion that alphabetical writing developed from pictographs. In the case of the Székely-Magyar Runic Script, this is not so. The ancestors of the Magyars from the far, far distant past, at least for 25,000 years, have possessed an alphabet, where every runic sign had an independent sound value. This 25,000 year demarcation is the approximate age of the inscribed painted stones of Mas d’Azil in France. The Venus of Lausell (a limestone relief in France) comes from this same time-frame. On her right hip, there is a letter T of the runic script. With some daring imagination, we may discover some runic characters on the bull-horn, which she holds in her hand (It can be seen in John Waechter’s book: The Ancient History of Man – Helicon publ. 1988).
After the last Ice Age, approximately 8-9000 years ago, our ancestors developed a pictographic method for people who did not yet read, on our planet. Researchers call these -- in connection with the Tatárlaka find -- Sumerian pictographs. This is inaccurate because we know that the pictographs found in Mesopotamia are younger than the ones in the Carpathian Basin, so it is more accurate to call them Carpathian Basin pictographs.
These pictographs were created by our ancestors because the illiterate people needed a tool of expression, which could be used universally and which was as universal as the traffic signs today. Most of the people on Earth were able to understand these since their fragments can be found everywhere among the relics of the New Stone-Age.
During the Intermediary Stone Age and the Neolithic the density of the population was very low and this helped the work of the "teachers". With these pictographic notes, our ancestors were able to create for their "pupils", things to remember and the "pupils" were able to do the same for themselves, for their companions and their "teachers". Since our ancestors distributed this pictographic system, with which they prepared the way for true writing, they began in undisclosed antiquity to prepare the variations of their 30 or 32 letter alphabets for the "interested" public and to distribute them 5-6000 years ago.
These variations were prepared in the territory of today’s Tordos, on the banks of the river Maros, where their workshop was found, as Zsófia Torma’s disks – to which number over ten thousand pieces – attest (and how many more may still be in the ground!!!)
With these ABC variations, they went on the road again to teach in the same way as they did with their pictographs. There were people who came to the Carpathian Basin, to learn these letters. We know from Ferenc Kállay (Pogány magyarok vallása – translation: The Religion of the Pagan Magyars, Hasonmás edition, Püski publ. 1961), that the Pelazgians took 16 Scythian letters to Greece. So our ancestors’ teaching activity continued during the Scythian age too.)
They preserved the sound value of the ancient, original 30 or 32 set of characters for their descendants in the Carpathian Basin. These, together with their phonetic value remained intact only here. The German runic script attests to this. Either the Scythians or the Huns gave these letters to the Germans, so that out of the 24 German runic signs, 13 are identical in form with the Székely-Magyar letters; their sound-value, on the other hand, is completely different. In the same way, in the Greek alphabet (which consists of 23 letters) 12 are the same in form as the Magyar runic letters but only the letter A corresponds to the runic in sound value.
The ancestors of the Hungarians created the variations of letters and modes of writing with fantastic ingenuity and then, with great unselfishness, gave them away, with surely no little difficulties. Each alphabet that was given away contained more or less elements of the 30 or 32 letter alphabet of the Carpathian Basin and this refers to their origin. But the full model comes together only within the Magyar Runic Script and the sound values attached to the characters. This we call today the Székely-Magyar Runic Script. This is an important proof of the fact that our Magyar ancestors always lived here in the Carpathian Basin from times immemorial and it is, for this reason, that we can call this writing: Our Letter of Ownership to the Carpathian Basin. That the Magyar is the oldest language of the world was already proposed in the 19th century by the historian, and philologist Professor István Horváth and by Mihály Táncsis politician and writer. The experts of the Tamana theory acknowledge this, along with Adorján Magyar, ethnographer and Professor Ferenc Badiny-Jós, Sumerologist.
We did not have the opportunity to examine the real tablets and to measure them, for the reasons we already stated earlier. The measurements of the accurate copies of the Kolozsvár Museum where we bought them are the following: the diameter of the disk is 5.5 cm., its thickness is 1.5 cm. The width of the rectangular tablet with the hole is 5.5 cm., its height 2.5 cm. and its thickness 0.5 cm. The tablet with the animal figure which is not pierced is 4.7 cm. wide, 3.0 cm. high, and 0.8 cm. thick. If we go back to page 65 (in the original work Kőbe-fába) we can see that the three measurements differ greatly from one another and, because we have to suppose that both Vlassza and the French researcher, Masson, were able to measure a few small objects we can be sure that they did not hold the same tablets in their hands. So we cannot know whether the original tablets will come back or not to the Museum at the end of the examinations in Germany.
The weight of the copied disk is 70 grams. The data of Vlassza and Masson indicate a thicker disk, which may have easily reached a weight of 100 grams. I tried my disk copy on a string. Because of its weight I was only able to stand or lie down. When walking or moving it dealt a heavy blow to the chest. For this reason, it could not have been worn, either during a ceremony or as a magic amulet or decoration. This is also supported by the writing on it, which described the last section of the life of our ancestor during the Neolithic. Of our 30 or 32 letter alphabet there are four letters visible. The disk itself and the central cross together form the letter F of the Székely-Magyar Runic Script, which represents our planet Earth (Föld). In our ancient belief system, according to Arnold Ipoly (Magyar Mythológia – Reprint, Európa Publ. 1987.), it is a talisman against devils and witches. With this cross, Our ancestors wanted to wish the deceased a quiet rest.
The story begins with the little V sign in the upper left quadrant of the disk, which is a Sun symbol, signifying the first rays of the Sun in the East and it also means the beginning.
The next is the letter Z of the runic script, the beginning letter of her family name, the name of her clan, of the family where she belonged. The Hungarians write their family names first because, by this, they give respect to their forebears and their families. At the same time, this also signals that the family is more important than the individual and they don’t push themselves forward selfishly.
The following sign is the letter NY of the runic script, the beginning sound of the deceased’s first name. There is no Christian name in the Judeo-Christian calendar which begins with NY, since the impoverished Latin alphabet has no sounds for 13 Magyar sounds, among them the NY sound. There was no Latin letter for NY when we were forced to use the Latin alphabet. So I turned to Csanád Szegedi’s book: A magyar eredetű keresztnevek teljes tára (The Complete Collection of Magyar First Names, Budapest 2002.), where I found 25 names beginning with the sound NY. Of course it is not certain that any of these was the name of our ancestor.
The lower left quadrant witnesses a sad happening. It describes how the lady with the Z. NY. monogram died. She was killed by two arrows. Under the arrows, the fourth runic sign is GY, the beginning sound of the name of the person or people who caused her death upon her.
The disk’s upper quadrant is a kind of obituary. As we have seen, the comb-like drawing means rain. On our disk it means that the people cried for the beloved person who died, "their tears ran like rain". Following the tear expression, the drawings under the comb-like sign refer to the mourners, the bigger ones probably mean her children, the smaller ones her grandchildren.
On the lower right quarter of the disk there is a fire-place and the image of the fire can be seen, which means here that the deceased was cremated. On the right side, a Sun and Moon altar is standing, in front of it the Táltos[4] and the family and members of the community say farewell to our ancient mother. The altar and the Sun, which rests upon the crescent Moon, shows us a picture of the departing soul waving back to us or blessing us with uplifted arms. A similar figure can be seen at the time of the full moon, also in the lower right quadrant of the Moon. So the disk contains four rovás letters, the other signs are part of the pictographic system of the Carpathian Basin. The goal of our ancestors was that, when anyone, at any time finds these grave goods they will be able to understand its message.
On the other tablet with a drilled hole, they left a description for later generations, telling us how the deceased spent her life. The two little V signs are in the middle column and that is the beginning. There is picture of a plant and the head of a horse, so she spent her life in tending plants and mainly in horse-husbandry. On the upper part of the left side we find three arrows and the mixed outlines of several prone animals. From this one can deduce that, not only was she killed but her animals were also killed by arrows. We see in the lower left corner a letter T of the runic script or the head of a colt, divided with two lines. If this is a letter T, then it is the beginning letter of the name of a survivor. The storage pot beside her indicates a diligent, frugal person. The unbroken vessel and the little colt show that, even if it was late, help did come and at least these could be saved.
They drew the picture of a funerary urn, into which they placed the bones, which are represented above it with two lines and they also placed into it an object, similar in form to the K letter of the runic script. Probably this represents the tablet, which they placed into the urn. On this there is a Carpathian Basin pictograph and possibly runic letter.
The third tablet with the animal figure also refers to the attack, not on the deceased person but on her people. The disk and the tablet with the drilled hole were placed onto the neck of our ancient mother during the funeral, because they described her. Only the string turned to ashes. The third tablet was not drilled through. This means that it was not hung on the neck of the deceased. We learn from this tablet that our ancient mother was a peaceful member of her community, grew plants, raised animals, had her own script and was literate. Through her pictographs, she kept in contact with illiterate communities and taught them. She was a diligent and frugal member of her community. It was this community which was attacked by the devilish being pictured on the left side of the Tree of Life, which tried to destroy the ancestors of the Hungarians and chase them away from their Tree of Life, that is, from their land. All this took place 7-8000 years ago in Erdély (Transylvania), but if we look back to our past, all this repeats itself in our history. Our ancestral mother waves back encouragingly and blesses us from the lower right quadrant of the disk.
Two more small rays of hope: a history book for 5th graders was published by the Gyula László Historical and Cultural Association, Budapest, 2004 and edited by Kornél Bakay. On page 43, our disk can be seen. This publication has great merits but we have to mention that the runic alphabet in it does not follow tradition; it is faulty and ugly. The school book also shows, in changed form, the Nicholsburg alphabet which was found in 1933, in Bartholomeus Angelicus’ book entitled: De proprietate rerum, published in 1483.
The second ray of hope is that I received a slide from Béla Gondos, in August of 2004, where the monument of Alsó-Tatárlaka is visible with the three little tablets on it. So maybe our first written relic, which contains a text with faultless sequence of thoughts, will not be forgotten.
József Barta, who published this work, as he was looking for a picture of Zsófia Torma on the Internet (www. prehistory. it/ftp/tartaria_tablets_) stumbled on the study of the Italian scholar, Marco Merlini: Milady Tartaria and the Riddle of Dating the Tartaria Tablets. Merlini traveled to Transylvania in October, 2003, where he reexamined these finds in Rumanaia. On the basis of this examination, the Anthropological Research Center of the Rumanian Academy of Science, stated that the bones were those of an old woman. They attributed to this lady, who lived 7000-8000 years ago, certain sicknesses. It is not surprising for this Institute to state such things when they are studying the ancient ancestors of the Hungarians. I will not taint the pages of our book by naming the sicknesses in these statements.
According to Merlini, the results of the C14 examination brings up the question as to why Vlassza, after his excavation, again fired the tablets, but did not record how long or at what temperature. Most interesting is the fact that the Italian researcher mentions a few opinions of other scholars, according to whom Vlassza, the archeologist of the Museum of Kolozsvár, was able to have access to the relics of the collection of Zsófia Torma, which were displayed in the basement, and he took from this collection certain artifacts, which he himself placed in the grave and which became known as the Tatarlaka finds.
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[1] Glozel is the name of a small French village, which became famous in 1924 because a local peasant found a hole, which had a base and walls made of fired material, and clay and other tablets, stone axes, carved bones and stones were found in it. Since the the artifacts of the rich find did not originate from the same time period (their age moves between 12,000 and 4,500 years), the representatives of the offical scientific circles claim that they are forgeries, perpetrated by the poor peasant and Dr. Morlet. The doctor bought up the artifacts and opened a private museum to house them. He collected 111 signs from the clay tablets and among them there is a surprisingly large number of signs which coincide with the signs of the Székely-Magyar runic script and several with the signs on the disk.
Translator's notes:
[2] This treasure was found in Nagyszentmiklós, Hungary but is now housed at the Cultural History Museum in Vienna, where it is labeled "Ancient Bulgarian". (Translator)
[3] The Great Carved Staff (Nagy Rovásbot) was a Catholic calendar of the 12th century, carved on a staff. (Translator)
[4] Táltos is the ancient Magyar priest (Translator)
Source: magtudin.org
Editor's note: Image files were unavailable from the indicated source. Illustrations are from the Hungarian version of this book, Friedrich Klára, Tatárlaka Titka.